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dashboard · 2K+ Club

Save the planet fuel

Lost in the 60s · President

dashboard wrote:
The pixs below show a Holley 750 carb, I bought it new in 2010 used it for three months never felt it idled or ran right; I then replace it with an Eledbrock 750 mechanical secondary’s carb. I drained the carb, and then put in storage were it sat until I opened it up a few days ago.
The pixs don’t really show how ugly it is. The coating that Holley used inside the carb failed and flaked away from the aluminum case; all the contamination seen in the photos came from the fwd and aft float bowls.
No wonder I could never get it to idle, cruise or maintain the float adjustment.
Bad fuel? Bad carb from the start? Or a little of both?
I’ve been buying my fuel at Holiday only because it’s at the top of the hill, not any more, I‘ll be looking for the nonoxy.
Holiday's Blue Planet fuel is known to have one of the highest concentrations of alchohol on the market. It has been ruining carburaters for several years. I've been using only non-oxy in all my carburated engines for a few years now and am currently feeding eight of them with premium...

dashboard · 2K+ Club

Here is an excellent web site for non-ethanol fuel across the country; and it has a phone app.

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=MN

OscarZ · Treasurer

Kevin here is a link to the MSRA list of non-oxy sellers in MN that I like to use

http://www.msra.com/NonOxygenatedFuel/Non%20Oxy%20List%20-%20April%202012.pdf

Derek69SS · Founding Member

There's no planet-saving going on with that stuff... independent testing proves just the opposite, when you factor in the production of it, ethanol takes more energy to produce than real gas, produces less energy, and puts out more CO2 (which isn't a big deal at all, but the greenies blame CO2 for "global warming" errr... no "climate change")

Corn Ethanol is a scam to take your money and put it in the hands of Cargill, Monsanto, and Archer Daniels Midland. The benefit to the farmers, is just a means of selling it to the public... but that "benefit" will only last so long. Land prices and input costs have already skyrocketed. All other farming-related expenses will go through a similar inflation of prices as well. These costs will continue to drive small farmers out, to be bought up by the big corporate farms.

YOU, the taxpayer, pay the ethanol producers through huge subsidies, and then you're forced to buy the stuff at the pump. As a result, you get worse fuel economy, and pay more for your food, much of which has to be imported because we have turned much of our food-production capabilities into a very small net gain in energy.

...and the one form of ethanol that actually makes sense, produced cheaply and easily with sugar-cane in Central America has had huge import tariffs imposed on it at the will of the politician-buying beneficiaries receiving your money through the corn-ethanol scam.

Chris R · 2K+ Club

As long as the money keeps flowing in for these people and companies that Derek mentioned. We will have to deal with this joke of an additive or blend or whatever they are calling it these days. This makes me wonder how bad the holley on my 66 looks, I havent touched it since 2005. Its still on the engine.

SShink · 3K+ Club

Chris R wrote:
This makes me wonder how bad the holley on my 66 looks, I havent touched it since 2005. Its still on the engine.

It's time to man up and get that Chevelle back on the road and stop living in the past man!

Don't let a $20 carb rebuild kit stop you. Heck, I even rebuilt my own Edelbrock and it was within 2 hp of a $1500 dyno carb! You can do it man!

jim larson · 2K+ Club

Derek69SS wrote:
There's no planet-saving going on with that stuff... independent testing proves just the opposite, when you factor in the production of it, ethanol takes more energy to produce than real gas, produces less energy, and puts out more CO2 (which isn't a big deal at all, but the greenies blame CO2 for "global warming" errr... no "climate change")

Corn Ethanol is a scam to take your money and put it in the hands of Cargill, Monsanto, and Archer Daniels Midland. The benefit to the farmers, is just a means of selling it to the public... but that "benefit" will only last so long. Land prices and input costs have already skyrocketed. All other farming-related expenses will go through a similar inflation of prices as well. These costs will continue to drive small farmers out, to be bought up by the big corporate farms.

YOU, the taxpayer, pay the ethanol producers through huge subsidies, and then you're forced to buy the stuff at the pump. As a result, you get worse fuel economy, and pay more for your food, much of which has to be imported because we have turned much of our food-production capabilities into a very small net gain in energy.

...and the one form of ethanol that actually makes sense, produced cheaply and easily with sugar-cane in Central America has had huge import tariffs imposed on it at the will of the politician-buying beneficiaries receiving your money through the corn-ethanol scam.

Couldn't agree with you more Derek. Any guess what 3 borthers have a big share in the Ethanol plant over by Waseca. None other the former governor friend and former speaker of the house. Beside's the subsidy they receive from producting the corn, the ethanol subsidy brings them more $'s . Wonder why he gave up the 2hr a week teaching assignment at the Carlson School of Business that paid him around $80,000 a year to stay on the board of regents at the U. Guess he couldn't pass up the latest gravey train as he resigned from the regents position.

And if you have any extra $'s, Dayton and the boys and girls what to take it from you and give it to Vikings owner, the the business down town, unless somehow St. Paul get some. Let the people that go to the games and the down town business pay for the stadium. Boy much less confusing watching the Packers in the 50's.

-- Edited by jim larson on Sunday 29th of April 2012 07:46:34 PM

Chris R · 2K+ Club

I hear ya. Ill tell you its a lot more then a 20 dollar carb kit thats keeping it sidelined for this many years. The carb is probably the only thing on the car that wasnt giving me problems. I rebuilt it in 2000.

OscarZ · Treasurer

I've only seen the non-oxy at 91-93 octane range and they are pricier and have a sticker stating the intended usage (lawnmowers, collector cars, sowmobiles, etc.). A few of the stations where I find the non-oxy also have higher octane racing fuel in a pump or two as well but they are labeled differently too.

-- Edited by OscarZ on Monday 30th of April 2012 04:34:48 PM

John D · 2K+ Club

Kinda looks like what I posted here...

Got a batch of bad "link paste"... fixed it.

-- Edited by John D on Monday 30th of April 2012 08:23:26 PM

-- Edited by John D on Thursday 3rd of May 2012 05:03:40 AM

Jon H · 1K+ Club

Is all nonoxy the same octane?

Bungy L-76 · Active Member

Not 100% positive, but I beleive it is. I think it's 91 or 92.

Chris R · 2K+ Club

Jon H wrote:
Is all nonoxy the same octane?

Nope. The places that carry the non oxygenated blends typically have it in all grades.

69SSConv · Active Member

Most of the places I have found it, just had it in the 91 or 92 octane?

Derek69SS · Founding Member

Fleet Farm in Rochester only has it in 93 octane... for about 45 cents/gal more than regular.

jim larson · 2K+ Club

Wilson Oil or Marathon in Red Wing cut their non-oxy to 87 for the lawnmore and old outboard engine use to lower the price. So Check the octane rating. Joe Mobil in Red Wing is 91.

dashboard · 2K+ Club

John you have us all going in circles with that link.

Chris R · 2K+ Club

It must be a regional thing then. The old BP station I used to work at in Burnsville had the non oxy in all 3 grades. At least that was thier claim, I guess I never bothered to really verify nor had no idea how to prove it. That was however, many years ago, at least 5 or 6 since then. Its very possible thats no longer the case. It is listed on that MSRA listing.

Dave Seitz · Mega Poster

DO NOT EVER USE HOLIDAY FUEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In case you didn't hear me the first time DO NOT EVER USE HOLIDAY FUEL!!!!!!!!!! The fuel is garbage and is a reason I had a bad idle in every car I owned. The Ford DEALER Mechanic said I had bad fuel in the truck and use a different fuel. I told them I had just filled up with Holiday fuel and this was an ongoing problem. I stopped at BP on my next fill and the truck ran better and fuel mileage went up. Tried the Holiday fuel on the next fill and problem returned, so I knew it was the fuel. Coworker had his new Chevy pickup in the dealer for the same problem and found out the same thing. My wife NEVER pays attention to Fuel Mileage in her Van and after checking 2 tanks found Holiday gas was the worst fuel mileage. When I took my engine into the Dyno the first thing they asked me was WHERE did I get the fuel? The engine Dyno guys in town will all tell you Holiday is the worst fuel.

Jon H · 1K+ Club

We run Holiday in every vehicle and gas powered thing in the house for years and have never missed a beat. If you look at the trucks at the refinery they fill out of hte same tank. Maybe you had a hauler that had some water in his truck. Not sure how Holiday could operate hundres and hundreds of stations and keep them open if they sold bad gasoline.