Video from the Waumandee Hill Climb yesterday, where I finished 7th of 80 cars. This is a vintage car event limited to cars 30 years old and older (including replicas such as a Shelby Cobra style roadsters... John, you need to do this next year!)
John D said
Oct 11, 2020
That looks like fun... except for the trees & dropoff!!
(Looking at the vid, I might not be able to touch 3rd gear..,)
Derek69SS said
Oct 11, 2020
I don't think I ever got over about 85mph. 7200rpm limiter puts me at 75 in 2nd and I could hit that between every chicane. I'm not used to doing so much shifting though. As a left-foot braker, it was hard to get used to switching back and forth. I locked the brakes on a 2-3 up-shift once from having my foot on the wrong pedal.
Derek69SS said
Oct 11, 2020
You don't see the trees and drop off while racing... You know they're there, but anything off the racing line just kind of disappears. Still, it's not a 10/10ths kind of event, and any wheels-off will get you parked for the day, as will hitting more than 1 hay bale.
more ambition than brains said
Oct 11, 2020
Cool!!! Excuse me I need to go change my undies!
Karl
Jon H said
Oct 11, 2020
Looks like a whole bunch of fun! You placed well, was this your first time running the event?
Derek69SS said
Oct 11, 2020
Yes, first time at this event.
Lost in the 60s said
Oct 11, 2020
Congrats on your run and placement... I'm assuming the chattering sound was the brake lock up ? Sounded like rubble strips warning of a bump ahead.
My wife said "that looks like something you'd like to do". I looked at her and asked, "does that mean I can go next year" ? She said "sure"....OMG, she has NO CLUE how much it would cost to set up a car to run competitively.....I think I just got the green light to spent 10 grand without her knowing...
Derek69SS said
Oct 11, 2020
I had some axle hop from engine braking whenever I released the clutch too fast on a downshift. I'm not used to doing so much shifting. Most everything else I run is 2nd gear courses.
You could do it without having the car fully set up. There was a little bit of everything there including a 72 Buick GSX clone on stock suspension and 15" BFGs.
Lost in the 60s said
Oct 12, 2020
Derek69SS wrote:
I had some axle hop from engine braking whenever I released the clutch too fast on a downshift. I'm not used to doing so much shifting. Most everything else I run is 2nd gear courses.
You could do it without having the car fully set up. There was a little bit of everything there including a 72 Buick GSX clone on stock suspension and 15" BFGs.
Yeah, if you were using the right foot to brake while the left was busy with the clutch, you couldn't bring the rpm up to match the road speed.
Yeowza, the Buick must have been a handful thru the chicanes, if he pushed it at all. Soft suspension and slippery tires.
I think the '38 would, actually, be OK on a course like that. I don't have the hp to get moving quickly but with the coil overs and power r&p, it handles pretty well and needs VERY little steering input to turn. I finally found a source to reduce the GM pump pressure to the FoMoCo steering enough to be able to relax just a little on the freeway. Before that, I was afraid to sneeze because I would change lanes...
Derek69SS said
Oct 12, 2020
Lost in the 60s wrote:
Yeah, if you were using the right foot to brake while the left was busy with the clutch, you couldn't bring the rpm up to match the road speed.
No attempts to "heel/toe" were made on Saturday... thats something I'd like to learn, but I need to try it somewhere with a little more space to screw up.
Larry Lucast said
Oct 12, 2020
That was so cool! You made it look easy. I would love to try something like that, but only if it was idiot-proof, like no trees or drop-offs.
Derek69SS said
Oct 13, 2020
If anyone is interested, you can subscribe to the email list here to be notified when registration opens next year. www.mwmotoring.com/waumandee
Lost in the 60s said
Oct 13, 2020
Larry Lucast wrote:
That was so cool! You made it look easy. I would love to try something like that, but only if it was idiot-proof, like no trees or drop-offs.
Just go a little slower and enjoy the drive...
Heel/toe driving...man, I'm very good at that with a Road Ranger 13 speed down shifting with the Jake on. It would take some practice in a car, but it's very doable. Getting the feel for how much to blip the throttle, however many rpm you need to gain, is the tricky part.
Derek69SS said
Oct 13, 2020
Lost in the 60s wrote:
Heel/toe driving...man, I'm very good at that with a Road Ranger 13 speed down shifting with the Jake on. It would take some practice in a car, but it's very doable. Getting the feel for how much to blip the throttle, however many rpm you need to gain, is the tricky part.
Add in trying to brake at the limit of traction, time it so you don't brake too early or (worse yet) late, have the chassis settled in time to turn in, and don't accidentally launch yourself over a hay-bale with too much throttle...
After years of training myself to become a left-foot braker, I had a hard enough time making sure my feet were on the correct pedals... even locked the brakes on a 2-3 upshift once. There's a reason you're seeing my last run of the day and not any of the first few... Most of my performance driving has been either all 1st gear, or short-shift into second and stay there the rest of the run.
This was a lot of fun, and a new challenge for me. I hope to have more opportunity to learn heel/toe on a circuit with some run-off space in the future.
Lost in the 60s said
Oct 13, 2020
There ya go, making it all complicated. Just practice the heel/toe downshifting during normal driving until you get some experience and muscle memory. THEN add in the fancy race car driving and you won't need to think about the brake/throttle manufer as much...
Derek69SS said
Oct 14, 2020
Lost in the 60s wrote:
There ya go, making it all complicated. Just practice the heel/toe downshifting during normal driving until you get some experience and muscle memory. THEN add in the fancy race car driving and you won't need to think about the brake/throttle manufer as much...
I just tried giving it a shot... I'm going to have to mess with pedal spacing to make it easier, and maybe raise the gas pedal up a bit.
I couldn't do it at all with the hydroboost, but now that I have manual brakes that are not so sensitive, I can kind of make it work.
Video from the Waumandee Hill Climb yesterday, where I finished 7th of 80 cars. This is a vintage car event limited to cars 30 years old and older (including replicas such as a Shelby Cobra style roadsters... John, you need to do this next year!)
(Looking at the vid, I might not be able to touch 3rd gear..,)
Excuse me I need to go change my undies!
Karl
Congrats on your run and placement...
I'm assuming the chattering sound was the brake lock up ? Sounded like rubble strips warning of a bump ahead.
My wife said "that looks like something you'd like to do". I looked at her and asked, "does that mean I can go next year" ?
She said "sure"....OMG, she has NO CLUE how much it would cost to set up a car to run competitively.....I think I just got the green light to spent 10 grand without her knowing...
You could do it without having the car fully set up. There was a little bit of everything there including a 72 Buick GSX clone on stock suspension and 15" BFGs.
Yeah, if you were using the right foot to brake while the left was busy with the clutch, you couldn't bring the rpm up to match the road speed.
Yeowza, the Buick must have been a handful thru the chicanes, if he pushed it at all. Soft suspension and slippery tires.
I think the '38 would, actually, be OK on a course like that. I don't have the hp to get moving quickly but with the coil overs and power r&p, it handles pretty well and needs VERY little steering input to turn. I finally found a source to reduce the GM pump pressure to the FoMoCo steering enough to be able to relax just a little on the freeway. Before that, I was afraid to sneeze because I would change lanes...
No attempts to "heel/toe" were made on Saturday... thats something I'd like to learn, but I need to try it somewhere with a little more space to screw up.
www.mwmotoring.com/waumandee
Just go a little slower and enjoy the drive...
Heel/toe driving...man, I'm very good at that with a Road Ranger 13 speed down shifting with the Jake on. It would take some practice in a car, but it's very doable. Getting the feel for how much to blip the throttle, however many rpm you need to gain, is the tricky part.
Add in trying to brake at the limit of traction, time it so you don't brake too early or (worse yet) late, have the chassis settled in time to turn in, and don't accidentally launch yourself over a hay-bale with too much throttle...
After years of training myself to become a left-foot braker, I had a hard enough time making sure my feet were on the correct pedals... even locked the brakes on a 2-3 upshift once.
This was a lot of fun, and a new challenge for me. I hope to have more opportunity to learn heel/toe on a circuit with some run-off space in the future.
There ya go, making it all complicated. Just practice the heel/toe downshifting during normal driving until you get some experience and muscle memory. THEN add in the fancy race car driving and you won't need to think about the brake/throttle manufer as much...
I just tried giving it a shot... I'm going to have to mess with pedal spacing to make it easier, and maybe raise the gas pedal up a bit.
I couldn't do it at all with the hydroboost, but now that I have manual brakes that are not so sensitive, I can kind of make it work.
Have fun, drive fast, stay on course...