Ok here is my welding experience. I have a stick welder Miller 250. My welds suck but pass the hammer test ; ) Would like a Mig with the gas hookups. I would like 135-140 Amp that can plug into 110V. I seen a Hobart 140 on CL (see below) and I am sure it is gone. If you see one, know someone, or want to upgrade LMK.
That is a good buy. Fleet farm has the 140 for $490 alone, or $520 with a cart.
Bowtieman427 said
Nov 15, 2011
I agree I have emailed them many times and no respounce for a couple weeks. So I imagine it is gone. But if anyone has a line on something similar LMK. I will look at the Fleet Farm one. Thanks Steve.
Chris R said
Nov 15, 2011
Dated October 30th. No doubt that deal is gone.
Bowtieman427 said
Nov 16, 2011
I basically posted it there for an example of what I am looking for or have been looking for.
steve m said
Nov 16, 2011
I have the hobart 140 and it works great, Purchased it from northern with cart for 490.00, Watch around thanksgiving and they have deals, Thats when i bought mine, You will need to get a bottle of argon, i payed around 80.00 for north st paul welding.
Dave Seitz said
Nov 17, 2011
Check the local welding shops, you need more then the welder itself. They can set you up with everything you need so you can start when you get home. On your tank yes it will cost more to lease, but when you have your own tank you have to wait for them to refill it. They don't fill tanks on Sat while you wait either, tanks are filled on a cascade systemso it takes time.
67ss said
Nov 17, 2011
Dave Seitz wrote:
Check the local welding shops, you need more then the welder itself. They can set you up with everything you need so you can start when you get home. On your tank yes it will cost more to lease, but when you have your own tank you have to wait for them to refill it. They don't fill tanks on Sat while you wait either, tanks are filled on a cascade systemso it takes time.
I own all the tanks for my stuff and they always exchange them, I have never had to wait to have them filled???
Bowtieman427 said
Nov 17, 2011
So far great information. Steve M thanks for the tip at Northern. There is one local to me I will check out. So far I am off next week and I will check Fleet Farm, Northern and Missippi welding.
On a side note I got JJ a cool welding helmet form my favorite China low quality Import store (Harbor Freight) a few months back. I will supprize him with it soon. The one he currenly uses is dark all the time and he like my instant on one. So he will like this. I really suck at welding maybe the MIG will be easier. The stick is kind of over kill for 95% of my applications. My friend tells me to get the 187 or 200 AMP MIG but i figure if I need that much I will stick it.
got this one for like $25-30 they had a 2 day sale.
You can always check with Toll too. They were cool enough to host one of our meetings this year and the Plymouth location has a great area to test drive the units, plus they do classes.
Lost in the 60s said
Nov 17, 2011
Bowtieman427 wrote:
So far great information. Steve M thanks for the tip at Northern. There is one local to me I will check out. So far I am off next week and I will check Fleet Farm, Northern and Missippi welding.
On a side note I got JJ a cool welding helmet form my favorite China low quality Import store (Harbor Freight) a few months back. I will supprize him with it soon. The one he currenly uses is dark all the time and he like my instant on one. So he will like this. I really suck at welding maybe the MIG will be easier. The stick is kind of over kill for 95% of my applications. My friend tells me to get the 187 or 200 AMP MIG but i figure if I need that much I will stick it.
got this one for like $25-30 they had a 2 day sale.
Dang wish I had known about this an hour ago. I drove right by a HF and would've bought one !!!
I have a Miller Auto 180, 220 volt. I do weld on heavier material with my Pete and New Holland mowing tractor. Like you say, if it gets too heavy, I haul out the stick welder, but I'm actually pretty good with the stick too. You just need to go get some scrap metal and practice. Also the right rod is important. I use 6011 as an all around good rod. It doesn't work very well for overhead tho...lots of splatter when I tried to reinforce the Chevelle frame last winter. I cranked up the Mig and burned it on.
Bowtieman427 said
Nov 17, 2011
That was a few months ago when I got it. They have a real cool skull one too. I wonder if they would let me trade the other for this
I think JJ would like this one better, but got the other on a special deal for like $25.00
67ss said
Nov 17, 2011
I bought my auto darkening helmet from northern tool. It has a bigger viewing window then the harbor freight models. But it was $120 compared to the $30, but it was worth the investment.
I bought my auto darkening helmet from northern tool. It has a bigger viewing window then the harbor freight models. But it was $120 compared to the $30, but it was worth the investment.
I looked at that helmet earlier this week. The larger viewing area is nice but I didn't see that it helped enough to be worth the extra cost. Now if it was BLUE, I would've bought it in a heartbeat...
-- Edited by Lost in the 60s on Thursday 17th of November 2011 09:13:53 PM
Dave Seitz said
Nov 18, 2011
67ss wrote:
Dave Seitz wrote:
Check the local welding shops, you need more then the welder itself. They can set you up with everything you need so you can start when you get home. On your tank yes it will cost more to lease, but when you have your own tank you have to wait for them to refill it. They don't fill tanks on Sat while you wait either, tanks are filled on a cascade systemso it takes time.
I own all the tanks for my stuff and they always exchange them, I have never had to wait to have them filled???
Who do you fill through, I know Air Gas will not exchange their tank if it does not have their tag, same with other places.
67ss said
Nov 18, 2011
I have used two different places, first place was north st paul welding and now I go to toll. I have never seen a tag on my tanks with anyones name on them. Maybe it is different for a shop or something???
Dave Seitz said
Nov 18, 2011
The tag is a ring on the top welded on. Tanks need to be inspected every seven years or so at a cost of $75 bucks or so. The lease on my tanks covers the tumble and inspection of tanks so I never have to wait. I know years ago they had a big crack down on tanks due to theft and shops got real funny on tanks with no name or lease for refill.
and I need to find out on Friday you still get the electronic gift cars too.
local to me is Missippi welding and they quoted all kinds of tank prices. I think it was $135 liftime lease. or something. $20-22 fill for 40# tank.
Tanks are on a 7yr hydro schedule ?
-- Edited by Bowtieman427 on Monday 21st of November 2011 09:47:28 PM
Chris R said
Nov 21, 2011
The welder Bryan posted will probably work fine. They are brand X welders though and you never know what your going to get with one of those. Not to mention where to find parts for it. Here is a bunch that may work.
Whatever you get, make sure it has the parts for MIG welding. Without a regulator & gas valve you are buying a "Wire Feed" welder that's READY for MIG.
I'm of the mindset to buy the best quality I can afford (or sometimes not afford if it hurts just a little bit). I'd stay away from the "no-name", or "rebranded" units from the discount houses. Trying to find parts, or even the "consumables" (like tips and wire) may be a challenge.
I've been using a Lincoln Weld-Pak 110 for about 10 years now, and have nothing but good things to say.
Bowtieman427 said
Nov 22, 2011
Thanks guys wife said if I am real good she may get me the Hobart 140 at Northern. (see the black Friday sale I posted) Hobart Handler 140 115V Flux Cored/MIG Welder (w/ Free Welding Cart upon Purchase) at Northern Tool - $449.99 right now they have an electronic gift certificate spend $500 and get a $50 gift certificate. I hope that is still going on Black Friday. Can pick up $50 more stuff basically free plus get welder and cart for $450.
Chris R said
Nov 22, 2011
Flux core isnt going to give you a very good weld since it lacks a good shielding gas, but you can still weld with it. Take the 50 dollars of cash you get back and buy a regulator for argon/co2 and a new roll the proper wire and you will be a happy camper.
John D said
Nov 22, 2011
I've taken classes in oxy/acetelene, arc/stick, and MIG... and if I do say so myself I'm a pretty good welder. This book, in addition to a good, "hobbyist grade" auto-darkening helmet made me a really good welder.
The average-joe will never need the skill-sets the author has or explains, but it does detail the small steps that are vital to making safe, sound, and secure welds on many types of materials.
Bowtieman427 said
Nov 22, 2011
Chris R the one I posted see the URL. I believe has the correct needed gas regulator and hoses already. I think I would just need to get a tank that is why I posted what I found out about tanks locally. To see if it is inline what you guys use and get. The Gas Valve regulator and hose come with the Hobart 140 welder.
IS THE REGUALTOR IT COMES WITH WRONG KIND ???
I pasted the description below :
Standard Equipment Gun Gas valve Regulator and hose 10ft. work lead with clamp Power cord 8in. wire spool adapter Extra .030in. contact tips 1lb. spool of 0.030in. self-shielded flux cored wire
5/3/1 Industrial Warranty 5-year warranty on transformers, stabilizers, reactors, rectifiers, rotors, stators and brushes 3-year warranty on drive systems, PC boards, solenoid valves, switches and controls 1-year warranty on MIG guns, plasma torches, relays, contactor, triggers, regulator, accessories, spool guns, battery, field options and running gear. (90 days for industrial use.) Normal wear items such as drive rolls, contact tips, nozzle, gas diffuser, plasma torch tips and electrodes and weld cables are not covered under warranty See Feature Highlights Content Links Welding Buyer's Guide 1646140 Product Manual Key Specs Volts 115 Amps 140 Duty Cycle 20% at 90 Amps, 19V Mig Ready Yes Wire Feed Speed Control Yes, 40 - 700 IPM Weldable Metals Steel, stainless steel, and aluminum Weld Thickness (in.) 24-gauge up to 1/4in. steel Clamp Cable Length (ft.) 10 Regulator and Gas Hose Included Yes Shielding Gas Required Optional Welding Wire Diameter (in.) 0.023 - 0.035 Cart No Dimensions L x W x H (in.) 10 5/8 x 19 1/2 x 12 3/8 Manufacturer Warranty 5 year limited warranty Ship Weight 66.0 lbs Item# 1646140
-- Edited by Bowtieman427 on Tuesday 22nd of November 2011 10:55:51 PM
SteveS said
Nov 23, 2011
The 140 you posted does come with a regulator, all you will need is a tank full of gas. I haven't filled my tank for awhile, but I think I normally get a 90/10 mix of Argon & Carbon Dioxide.
John D said
Nov 26, 2011
"Flux core isnt going to give you a very good weld since it lacks a good shielding gas, but you can still weld with it."
Until the MIG process (or shielding gas process) was invented, ALL electric welding used a flux-clad or flux-core welding rod. The flux creates the barrier to prevent contamination of the weld field. All heavy gauge welding is STILL done with flux clad (stick) welding.
The bytch of it is that the flux residue needs to be removed and cleaned before the next pass or finishing - it has NO impact on the "quality" of weld.
Chris R said
Nov 26, 2011
I should have said "isnt going to give you a very good looking of a weld as using a shielding gas".
Personally, I found years ago using a shielding gas made welding a lot easier to learn then not using it at all.
Dave Seitz said
Nov 26, 2011
And as always with a flux core or just any type of flux it must be removed to avoid contamination under paint. Can you say paint failure under that seem you spent so many hours on trying to get perfect. Yes it can be removed, and yes some guys have show winning jobs that they used flux core on and on and on. Just why even run the risk a paint failure at a welded portion even if it is in non cosmetic location.
Pushrod said
Nov 26, 2011
Bottom line on welders, you get what you pay for, period. buy a Miller, spend the money, Done.
-- Edited by Pushrod on Saturday 26th of November 2011 10:52:57 PM
Tim H said
Nov 28, 2011
I have a Hobart 120 Handler with a cart, darkening helmet and the regulators I will be selling as soon as I receive the new hose liner. I will sell it complete for $270. We bought a bigger one as we are building a new NASCAR race car and needed to step up the amps for the frame. The liner should be here this week. It works well and has never been any trouble it just needed a new hose liner.
If anyone is intrested in it email me. I don't get here enough to check PM's
thallberg326@comcast.net
Thanks
-- Edited by Tim H on Monday 28th of November 2011 12:59:25 PM
Pushrod said
Nov 28, 2011
There ya go a great deal falls in your lap, if I didnt already have a mig Id buy it.
Bowtieman427 said
Nov 30, 2011
Wife let the cat out of the bag she got the Hobart 140 with cart : ) for Christmass at Northern tool this past Friday. She lmk when I mentioned Tim H offer.
-- Edited by Bowtieman427 on Wednesday 30th of November 2011 01:20:53 AM
Tim H said
Nov 30, 2011
You're a lucky man to have a wife like that. I just want a new trunk lid from Santa but will probably have to get that myself...
I believe mine is sold to another on NCC with a couple of others interested.
Ok here is my welding experience. I have a stick welder Miller 250. My welds suck but pass the hammer test ; ) Would like a Mig with the gas hookups. I would like 135-140 Amp that can plug into 110V. I seen a Hobart 140 on CL (see below) and I am sure it is gone. If you see one, know someone, or want to upgrade LMK.
1) Need one that is easy to use.
2) Like to use it on thinner metals and pipes.
3) Would like the gas hookups.
4) Not super high in price.
Here is one I saw I think it would be perfect
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/tls/2676543805.html
I am sure it is gone.
Dated October 30th. No doubt that deal is gone.
I have the hobart 140 and it works great, Purchased it from northern with cart for 490.00, Watch around thanksgiving and they have deals, Thats when i bought mine, You will need to get a bottle of argon, i payed around 80.00 for north st paul welding.
I own all the tanks for my stuff and they always exchange them, I have never had to wait to have them filled???
On a side note I got JJ a cool welding helmet form my favorite China low quality Import store (Harbor Freight) a few months back. I will supprize him with it soon. The one he currenly uses is dark all the time and he like my instant on one. So he will like this. I really suck at welding maybe the MIG will be easier. The stick is kind of over kill for 95% of my applications. My friend tells me to get the 187 or 200 AMP MIG but i figure if I need that much I will stick it.
got this one for like $25-30 they had a 2 day sale.
http://www.harborfreight.com/blue-flame-design-auto-darkening-welding-helmet-91214.html
http://www.harborfreight.com/interests/welding-and-welders/grey-and-red-skull-welding-helmet-66177.html
I think JJ would like this one better, but got the other on a special deal for like $25.00
I bought my auto darkening helmet from northern tool. It has a bigger viewing window then the harbor freight models. But it was $120 compared to the $30, but it was worth the investment.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200416894_200416894
-- Edited by Lost in the 60s on Thursday 17th of November 2011 09:13:53 PM
Who do you fill through, I know Air Gas will not exchange their tank if it does not have their tag, same with other places.
I have used two different places, first place was north st paul welding and now I go to toll. I have never seen a tag on my tanks with anyones name on them. Maybe it is different for a shop or something???
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/tls/2713735723.html
-- Edited by bowtie on Monday 21st of November 2011 02:25:53 PM
Bryon that is pretty nice. Seems like the price is right. I was looking at this
http://bfads.net/Northern-Tool-Black-Friday-Hobart-Handler-140-115V-Flux-CoredMIG-Welder-w-Free-Welding-Cart-upon-Purchase
and I need to find out on Friday you still get the electronic gift cars too.
local to me is Missippi welding and they quoted all kinds of tank prices. I think it was $135 liftime lease. or something. $20-22 fill for 40# tank.
Tanks are on a 7yr hydro schedule ?
-- Edited by Bowtieman427 on Monday 21st of November 2011 09:47:28 PM
The welder Bryan posted will probably work fine. They are brand X welders though and you never know what your going to get with one of those. Not to mention where to find parts for it. Here is a bunch that may work.
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/tls/2689578517.html
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/tls/2713010226.html
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/tls/2682450256.html
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/tls/2693983748.html
I'm of the mindset to buy the best quality I can afford (or sometimes not afford if it hurts just a little bit). I'd stay away from the "no-name", or "rebranded" units from the discount houses. Trying to find parts, or even the "consumables" (like tips and wire) may be a challenge.
I've been using a Lincoln Weld-Pak 110 for about 10 years now, and have nothing but good things to say.
Hobart Handler 140 115V Flux Cored/MIG Welder (w/ Free Welding Cart upon Purchase) at Northern Tool - $449.99
right now they have an electronic gift certificate spend $500 and get a $50 gift certificate. I hope that is still going on Black Friday. Can pick up $50 more stuff basically free plus get welder and cart for $450.
Flux core isnt going to give you a very good weld since it lacks a good shielding gas, but you can still weld with it. Take the 50 dollars of cash you get back and buy a regulator for argon/co2 and a new roll the proper wire and you will be a happy camper.
I've taken classes in oxy/acetelene, arc/stick, and MIG... and if I do say so myself I'm a pretty good welder. This book, in addition to a good, "hobbyist grade" auto-darkening helmet made me a really good welder.
The average-joe will never need the skill-sets the author has or explains, but it does detail the small steps that are vital to making safe, sound, and secure welds on many types of materials.
Chris R the one I posted see the URL. I believe has the correct needed gas regulator and hoses already. I think I would just need to get a tank that is why I posted what I found out about tanks locally. To see if it is inline what you guys use and get.
The Gas Valve regulator and hose come with the Hobart 140 welder.
IS THE REGUALTOR IT COMES WITH WRONG KIND ???
I pasted the description below :
Standard Equipment
Gun
Gas valve
Regulator and hose
10ft. work lead with clamp
Power cord
8in. wire spool adapter
Extra .030in. contact tips
1lb. spool of 0.030in. self-shielded flux cored wire
5/3/1 Industrial Warranty
5-year warranty on transformers, stabilizers, reactors, rectifiers, rotors, stators and brushes
3-year warranty on drive systems, PC boards, solenoid valves, switches and controls
1-year warranty on MIG guns, plasma torches, relays, contactor, triggers, regulator, accessories, spool guns, battery, field options and running gear. (90 days for industrial use.)
Normal wear items such as drive rolls, contact tips, nozzle, gas diffuser, plasma torch tips and electrodes and weld cables are not covered under warranty
See Feature Highlights
Content Links
Welding Buyer's Guide
1646140 Product Manual
Key Specs
Volts 115
Amps 140
Duty Cycle 20% at 90 Amps, 19V
Mig Ready Yes
Wire Feed Speed Control Yes, 40 - 700 IPM
Weldable Metals Steel, stainless steel, and aluminum
Weld Thickness (in.) 24-gauge up to 1/4in. steel
Clamp Cable Length (ft.) 10
Regulator and Gas Hose Included Yes
Shielding Gas Required Optional
Welding Wire Diameter (in.) 0.023 - 0.035
Cart No
Dimensions L x W x H (in.) 10 5/8 x 19 1/2 x 12 3/8
Manufacturer Warranty 5 year limited warranty
Ship Weight 66.0 lbs
Item# 1646140
Brand
Shop for Hobart
Made in the U.S.A.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kynhVaBdAaY&feature=related
-- Edited by Bowtieman427 on Tuesday 22nd of November 2011 10:55:51 PM
"Flux core isnt going to give you a very good weld since it lacks a good shielding gas, but you can still weld with it."
Until the MIG process (or shielding gas process) was invented, ALL electric welding used a flux-clad or flux-core welding rod. The flux creates the barrier to prevent contamination of the weld field. All heavy gauge welding is STILL done with flux clad (stick) welding.
The bytch of it is that the flux residue needs to be removed and cleaned before the next pass or finishing - it has NO impact on the "quality" of weld.
I should have said "isnt going to give you a very good looking of a weld as using a shielding gas".
Personally, I found years ago using a shielding gas made welding a lot easier to learn then not using it at all.
Bottom line on welders, you get what you pay for, period. buy a Miller, spend the money, Done.
-- Edited by Pushrod on Saturday 26th of November 2011 10:52:57 PM
I have a Hobart 120 Handler with a cart, darkening helmet and the regulators I will be selling as soon as I receive the new hose liner. I will sell it complete for $270. We bought a bigger one as we are building a new NASCAR race car and needed to step up the amps for the frame. The liner should be here this week. It works well and has never been any trouble it just needed a new hose liner.
If anyone is intrested in it email me. I don't get here enough to check PM's
thallberg326@comcast.net
Thanks
-- Edited by Tim H on Monday 28th of November 2011 12:59:25 PM
There ya go a great deal falls in your lap, if I didnt already have a mig Id buy it.
Wife let the cat out of the bag she got the Hobart 140 with cart : ) for Christmass at Northern tool this past Friday. She lmk when I mentioned Tim H offer.
-- Edited by Bowtieman427 on Wednesday 30th of November 2011 01:20:53 AM
I believe mine is sold to another on NCC with a couple of others interested.