Well, that answers my question of if you are taking her all the way...
Looks like you're going for the home run...
BLyke said
Aug 21, 2019
Lost in the 60s wrote:
Well, that answers my question of if you are taking her all the way...
Looks like you're going for the home run...
It may be more like 3 consecutive walks and hit by a pitch, but it will still score a run
Thanks
SShink said
Aug 22, 2019
BLyke wrote:
Started with the Red paint today and think it will work our well.
Very nice Bruce!
Is that a base coat/clear coat or single stage?
Plans for stripes or leaving it a solid red car?
BLyke said
Aug 22, 2019
Thanks Stan, Decided to Jam with Single stage and see how it went. I'm pretty encouraged by the first steps and at this point plan to do the whole car with it. Concerned that supper shiny will put too much of a spotlight the "less than prefect areas". Hopefully it will look similar to factory back in 71. Still undecided on the stripes, however Cheryl is not a bid fan of them. Guess we will see, kind of like the idea of a cowl hood with out stripes.
-- Edited by BLyke on Thursday 22nd of August 2019 12:36:03 PM
Nothing wrong with single stage. I painted the front half of the '66 several years ago and it still shined and looked as good as the day it dried, which was only as good as the applicator...
Larry Lucast said
Aug 22, 2019
That is a nice color! I have done many cars single stage, with good results (for me).
more ambition than brains said
Aug 23, 2019
For our cars that spend little time outside, single stage, particularly in a solid color is just fine.
The real advantages of 2/stage clear coats are higher gloss levels, deeper shine and ability to blend within panel.
Sometimes shinier and less orange peel does not provide a better look.
We have some amazing products today.
Karl
SShink said
Aug 23, 2019
more ambition than brains wrote:
Sometimes shinier and less orange peel does not provide a better look.
Bruce, don't make the same mistake the seller did on my car by using a cheap single stage though, or you'll get the ginormous orange peel look like I have on mine that's probably 5 times worse than the factory paint jobs. And it's a metallic so can't be polished out. I knew it when I bought the car, but at least I don't worry about super straight paint anymore.
Lost in the 60s said
Aug 23, 2019
SShink wrote:
more ambition than brains wrote:
Sometimes shinier and less orange peel does not provide a better look.
Bruce, don't make the same mistake the seller did on my car by using a cheap single stage though, or you'll get the ginormous orange peel look like I have on mine that's probably 5 times worse than the factory paint jobs. And it's a metallic so can't be polished out. I knew it when I bought the car, but at least I don't worry about super straight paint anymore.
Usually not the quality of paint. Single stage, when applied properly, will lay down like glass and not need cutting/buffing. The person and gun make all the difference in the world.
Bruce, are you using Omni ?
SShink said
Aug 23, 2019
Lost in the 60s wrote:
SShink wrote:
more ambition than brains wrote:
Sometimes shinier and less orange peel does not provide a better look.
Bruce, don't make the same mistake the seller did on my car by using a cheap single stage though, or you'll get the ginormous orange peel look like I have on mine that's probably 5 times worse than the factory paint jobs. And it's a metallic so can't be polished out. I knew it when I bought the car, but at least I don't worry about super straight paint anymore.
Usually not the quality of paint. Single stage, when applied properly, will lay down like glass and not need cutting/buffing. The person and gun make all the difference in the world.
Bruce, are you using Omni ?
The seller told me he used the '$700' paint instead of the '$1400' paint which is what makes me think the materials made a difference. In other words, he went with the cheap stuff and it turned out that way.
I can always have it scuffed and re-shot with a base coat/clear coat as the metal underneath is all good (have pics of it stripped down to bare metal), but why make it that nice and not want to drive it.
BLyke said
Aug 25, 2019
Thanks for the comments and encouragement guys.
Still plan to stick with the Omni single stage, based on what it looks like so far and since it is a solid color, so i can sand it a bit if needed
Spring of 2020 is looking like the lattest projected completion date. Painting will need to get wrpped up in the next ~8 weeks.
more ambition than brains said
Aug 25, 2019
Orange peel is determined by application skill, solvent speed and gun adjustment. Air temperature proper product mixture and flash time are very important. By its nature an enamel has slightly more orange peel than a lacquer based product.
The cost of the paint has little to do with final texture.
Maaco uses a value priced product, however, their painters do more completes in a week than we do in a year. There may be issues with preparation, body work and possibly generally poor condition of the beginning vehicle, but their application is usually quite good.
Clear coats provide more options, but the clear is still basically a single stage product.
Off the record, sometimes 25-30% clear has been added to a single stage after the first coat, gives more depth and gloss. That would usually require three coats and a color that hides well. Typically most reds cover fairly well in single stage.
I am right there with Mitch on paint products as they are all pretty good, some times we are buying a name. We upgraded one of our shops to a higher level product and went with water for the Basecoat. Side by side it would be difficult to identify which paint is which once applied. I can however, see differences in the application outcome of our four different painters. Not bad, just different.
Karl
-- Edited by more ambition than brains on Sunday 25th of August 2019 08:57:24 PM
BLyke said
Aug 26, 2019
Thanks Karl for the expert level clarification.
Still thinking i will paint it myself, as it seems clear that a person can't get beter at it without trying.
My rate when working on the 71 is very afforable, though not always timely.
more ambition than brains said
Aug 26, 2019
See the Ball, Be the Ball, Hit the Ball.
You are right, painting is all about "touch"
Follow directions, take your time.
Have Fun!
Karl
BLyke said
Aug 27, 2019
more ambition than brains wrote:
See the Ball, Be the Ball, Hit the Ball.
You are right, painting is all about "touch" Follow directions, take your time. Have Fun! Karl
Thanks Karl!
Next major step is the sanding of the high build (and sanding and sanding and sanding) until it is really smooth, geting all the panels lined up with good gaps.
-- Edited by BLyke on Monday 9th of September 2019 08:10:10 AM
BLyke said
Sep 11, 2019
Starting to see red, not that that is a bad thing. Getting is reassenbled Hope to have all the exterior sanding done before its cold so it can be painted. That should give me all witer to get it done
We should get a little warm weather yet. Get that prep work done so your ready!!!
BLyke said
Sep 12, 2019
Thanks guys!
BLyke said
Sep 18, 2019
Getting close with the jamming, gaps and body lines. Since the goal is "close to factory" condition, it looks like it will be close to the nominal for most gaps and much better than it was.
It is back to sanding today, starting to look good for having the red all sprayed this fall and then have the winter to complete the reassembly.
Looks good, but don't tape a hard line for jamming. Let the overspray flow out on the panel. It will be much easier to feather sand that and blend the final coats, than sand that line down so it doesn't show up later.
BLyke said
Sep 19, 2019
Lost in the 60s wrote:
Looks good, but don't tape a hard line for jamming. Let the overspray flow out on the panel. It will be much easier to feather sand that and blend the final coats, than sand that line down so it doesn't show up later.
Thanks Mitch.
I did the no tape with over spray on the loose parts. Feathered the edge so hopefully it will be okay. All part od the hands on training process.
BLyke said
Sep 28, 2019
Still chipping away at it, reprimed and hi-build on a few areas today.
Hopefully just one more round of sanding, then seal and paint (while it is still summer, or at least not snowing)
Looks really good, Bruce. I should have you paint my Camaro...
BLyke said
Sep 29, 2019
Lost in the 60s wrote:
Looks really good, Bruce. I should have you paint my Camaro...
Thanks Mitch,
LOL, not sure I ever want to do another paint job,
As Popeye the Sailor once said "thats all I can sand and I can't sand no more" (close enough!).
-- Edited by BLyke on Monday 30th of September 2019 08:19:00 AM
Larry Lucast said
Sep 29, 2019
What a lot of progress. Looks great.
BLyke said
Sep 30, 2019
Larry Lucast wrote:
What a lot of progress. Looks great.
Thanks Larry
BLyke said
Oct 12, 2019
Was going to ask if these should be silver, but then decided on my car they will be. Should be brighter than if they were red (or one gold and one blue?!)
Bruce you’re moving along nicely, can’t wait to see the car in paint.
I’m 2-3 long days away from putting the Buick body back on the it’s frame, I just need to find those days.
BLyke said
Oct 19, 2019
Thanks Kevin,
those "long days" can stack up a bit, hope you can find time to get done.
BLyke said
Oct 20, 2019
Sorry I missed the meeting and the run to Elmer's closing, but it has been several long days on the Chevelle, coinciding with perhaps the last few days in the 60's. The old yellow car is now red. Yes it is an amateur paint job, but a big improvement and starts my escape from the CAC
Wow! Looks great Bruce, pat yourself on the back you’ve completed a good part of the journey.. Can you identify the color red you used?
Lost in the 60s said
Oct 20, 2019
........
BLyke said
Oct 20, 2019
dashboard wrote:
Wow! Looks great Bruce, pat yourself on the back you’ve completed a good part of the journey.. Can you identify the color red you used?
1971 Chevelle Crandberry Red, had it mixed to match the original color.
BLyke said
Oct 20, 2019
Thanks Mitch
67ss said
Oct 21, 2019
That is awesome, gotta feel good to see it all in one color.
more ambition than brains said
Oct 21, 2019
All one color, red, glossy, only thing that matters. You made GREAT time on project. Beyond happy for you! Now, every piece you install makes a huge difference.
If too perfect, it becomes a Garage/Trailer Queen, that was never your plan, I believe.
Congrats!!! Karl
Derek69SS said
Oct 21, 2019
Awesome! Great to see such a big part of the project behind you now. :)
SShink said
Oct 21, 2019
Nice job Bruce!
It will snowball the other way to completion now when you start putting the parts back on.
Karl's right, there's nothing wrong with a garage paint job and it's no fun driving something that's just super nice. You'll enjoy this more.
OscarZ said
Oct 21, 2019
Congratulations Bruce! Looks great!
BLyke said
Oct 21, 2019
First post, 12/25/15
My 71 convert is in the shop this winter and the 59 Nomad is in storage.
Plan is to stay focused and not delve into a full restoration.
step one is to replace the old gas tank (leaks form the top if full, and yes it is the one i got from you ~4 years ago), and patch up the trunk.
also want to clean up the in interior, perhaps recover the seats, fix the odometer and clean up the engine and under the hood.
still unsure of the paint status, will be fixing several areas (like the door seam i had to weld up on the upper drivers door, as it had split ~3")
will post some updates with pictures as it gets moving
Point of no return Feb 28, 2017
BLyke wrote:
May be hitting the point of no return as far as keeping it simple goes. bumpers are off, trim and seals are removed, need to rebuild the hinge on the passengers side
so might as well pull the fender to do it
really should do both sides
as long as it is a part jam the door openings
and the firewall
and the trunk opening
and, and ,and...
So now consider taking it back to original blue paint color.....
Thanks guys for all of the positive commnets.
My plan was to make this a decent driver and learn how to do some new things.
Guess the next thing will be wet sanding...
-- Edited by BLyke on Monday 21st of October 2019 09:20:52 PM
-- Edited by BLyke on Monday 21st of October 2019 09:21:34 PM
SShink said
Oct 29, 2019
Here's another flashback post Bruce from the beginning that's in the 'Members Rides' section of the club website:
BLyke said
Oct 29, 2019
SShink wrote:
Here's another flashback post Bruce from the beginning that's in the 'Members Rides' section of the club website:
Yep, I just could not leave it as is
Lost in the 60s said
Oct 29, 2019
BLyke wrote:
SShink wrote:
Here's another flashback post Bruce from the beginning that's in the 'Members Rides' section of the club website:
Yep, I just could not leave it as is
You'll know better, NEXT time...
SShink said
Oct 30, 2019
BLyke wrote:
SShink wrote:
Here's another flashback post Bruce from the beginning that's in the 'Members Rides' section of the club website:
Yep, I just could not leave it as is
Since you're now a pro at changing yellow cars to another color...maybe I'll need to hire you out to change my 442 back to it's original grey metallic from the Safron Yellow that someone else changed it to.
Although I swore after the convert frame off I'd never get into paint with another car.
Well, that answers my question of if you are taking her all the way...
Looks like you're going for the home run...
It may be more like 3 consecutive walks and hit by a pitch, but it will still score a run
Thanks
Very nice Bruce!
Is that a base coat/clear coat or single stage?
Plans for stripes or leaving it a solid red car?
Thanks Stan,
Decided to Jam with Single stage and see how it went.
I'm pretty encouraged by the first steps and at this point plan to do the whole car with it.
Concerned that supper shiny will put too much of a spotlight the "less than prefect areas".
Hopefully it will look similar to factory back in 71.
Still undecided on the stripes, however Cheryl is not a bid fan of them.
Guess we will see, kind of like the idea of a cowl hood with out stripes.
-- Edited by BLyke on Thursday 22nd of August 2019 12:36:03 PM
Nothing wrong with single stage. I painted the front half of the '66 several years ago and it still shined and looked as good as the day it dried, which was only as good as the applicator...
The real advantages of 2/stage clear coats are higher gloss levels, deeper shine and ability to blend within panel.
Sometimes shinier and less orange peel does not provide a better look.
We have some amazing products today.
Karl
Bruce, don't make the same mistake the seller did on my car by using a cheap single stage though, or you'll get the ginormous orange peel look like I have on mine that's probably 5 times worse than the factory paint jobs. And it's a metallic so can't be polished out. I knew it when I bought the car, but at least I don't worry about super straight paint anymore.
Usually not the quality of paint. Single stage, when applied properly, will lay down like glass and not need cutting/buffing. The person and gun make all the difference in the world.
Bruce, are you using Omni ?
The seller told me he used the '$700' paint instead of the '$1400' paint which is what makes me think the materials made a difference. In other words, he went with the cheap stuff and it turned out that way.
I can always have it scuffed and re-shot with a base coat/clear coat as the metal underneath is all good (have pics of it stripped down to bare metal), but why make it that nice and not want to drive it.
Still plan to stick with the Omni single stage, based on what it looks like so far and since it is a solid color, so i can sand it a bit if needed
Spring of 2020 is looking like the lattest projected completion date. Painting will need to get wrpped up in the next ~8 weeks.
Orange peel is determined by application skill, solvent speed and gun adjustment.
Air temperature proper product mixture and flash time are very important.
By its nature an enamel has slightly more orange peel than a lacquer based product.
The cost of the paint has little to do with final texture.
Maaco uses a value priced product, however, their painters do more completes in a week than we do in a year.
There may be issues with preparation, body work and possibly generally poor condition of the beginning vehicle, but their application is usually quite good.
Clear coats provide more options, but the clear is still basically a single stage product.
Off the record, sometimes 25-30% clear has been added to a single stage after the first coat, gives more depth and gloss.
That would usually require three coats and a color that hides well.
Typically most reds cover fairly well in single stage.
I am right there with Mitch on paint products as they are all pretty good, some times we are buying a name.
We upgraded one of our shops to a higher level product and went with water for the Basecoat.
Side by side it would be difficult to identify which paint is which once applied.
I can however, see differences in the application outcome of our four different painters.
Not bad, just different.
Karl
-- Edited by more ambition than brains on Sunday 25th of August 2019 08:57:24 PM
Still thinking i will paint it myself, as it seems clear that a person can't get beter at it without trying.
My rate when working on the 71 is very afforable, though not always timely.
You are right, painting is all about "touch"
Follow directions, take your time.
Have Fun!
Karl
Thanks Karl!
Next major step is the sanding of the high build (and sanding and sanding and sanding) until it is really smooth, geting all the panels lined up with good gaps.
-- Edited by BLyke on Monday 9th of September 2019 08:10:10 AM
Starting to see red, not that that is a bad thing.
Getting is reassenbled
Hope to have all the exterior sanding done before its cold so it can be painted.
That should give me all witer to get it done
Looks great Bruce!
We should get a little warm weather yet. Get that prep work done so your ready!!!
Getting close with the jamming, gaps and body lines.
Since the goal is "close to factory" condition, it looks like it will be close to the nominal for most gaps and much better than it was.
It is back to sanding today, starting to look good for having the red all sprayed this fall and then have the winter to complete the reassembly.
So I've got that going for me.... Which is nice!
Thanks Mitch.
I did the no tape with over spray on the loose parts. Feathered the edge so hopefully it will be okay. All part od the hands on training process.
Still chipping away at it, reprimed and hi-build on a few areas today.
Hopefully just one more round of sanding, then seal and paint (while it is still summer, or at least not snowing
)
Looks really good, Bruce. I should have you paint my Camaro...
Thanks Mitch,
LOL, not sure I ever want to do another paint job,
As Popeye the Sailor once said "thats all I can sand and I can't sand no more" (close enough!).
-- Edited by BLyke on Monday 30th of September 2019 08:19:00 AM
Thanks Larry
Was going to ask if these should be silver, but then decided on my car they will be.
Should be brighter than if they were red (or one gold and one blue?!)
Hopefully will be a red car soon
Silver is good. I painted mine with chrome in a can. Slightly more shine to reflect the light.
Better hurry with the paint......winter is coming early this year...
Back to the fifties and sixties towards the ned of the week.
Picked up the paint yesterday, the paint odyssey is nearing the end
Good for you.
I was moving car parts in the snow this morning with Karl's trailer. Then rain in the afternoon. Who knows what I'll be driving in tomorrow.
Karl
Thanks Karl for the final answer!
Getting close to painting
I’m 2-3 long days away from putting the Buick body back on the it’s frame, I just need to find those days.
those "long days" can stack up a bit, hope you can find time to get done.
Sorry I missed the meeting and the run to Elmer's closing, but it has been several long days on the Chevelle, coinciding with perhaps the last few days in the 60's.
The old yellow car is now red. Yes it is an amateur paint job, but a big improvement and starts my escape from the CAC
1971 Chevelle Crandberry Red, had it mixed to match the original color.
Thanks Mitch
That is awesome, gotta feel good to see it all in one color.
All one color, red, glossy, only thing that matters.
You made GREAT time on project.
Beyond happy for you!
Now, every piece you install makes a huge difference.
If too perfect, it becomes a Garage/Trailer Queen, that was never your plan, I believe.
Congrats!!!
Karl
Awesome! Great to see such a big part of the project behind you now. :)
Nice job Bruce!
It will snowball the other way to completion now when you start putting the parts back on.
Karl's right, there's nothing wrong with a garage paint job and it's no fun driving something that's just super nice. You'll enjoy this more.
Congratulations Bruce! Looks great!
Thanks guys for all of the positive commnets.
My plan was to make this a decent driver and learn how to do some new things.
Guess the next thing will be wet sanding...
-- Edited by BLyke on Monday 21st of October 2019 09:20:52 PM
-- Edited by BLyke on Monday 21st of October 2019 09:21:34 PM
Here's another flashback post Bruce from the beginning that's in the 'Members Rides' section of the club website:
Yep, I just could not leave it as is
Since you're now a pro at changing yellow cars to another color...maybe I'll need to hire you out to change my 442 back to it's original grey metallic from the Safron Yellow that someone else changed it to.
Although I swore after the convert frame off I'd never get into paint with another car.