I have this hydraulic flaring tool. I used it on my '66 rear stainless line and so far, no leak. I did have to tighten the bejeepers on the nut to get it to seat tight.
SShink said
Jan 12, 2020
more ambition than brains wrote:
Exhaust Manifolds done (ceramic coating)
Where did you have the ceramic coating done Karl?
Did they also sand blast them first or did you have it done already for coating prep?
I'm looking for a place to redo my headers since I know they fit the exhaust so no modifications needed that might happen with a new set.
Perfect, thanks Mitch! I need to stop by The Carb Shop in FL anyway, so I'll catch them at the same time.
more ambition than brains said
Jan 12, 2020
Please bring the "tool" set.
With 70 plus people "torqueing" the fitting, it has to work.
Stan, I used Prairie Porcelain in Faribault, they did my BB manifolds too.
They prep them too.
These manifolds were pretty pristine, not Minnesota iron.
Karl
Lost in the 60s said
Jan 12, 2020
Do you have access to a cut off wheel tool ? a tubing cutter is probably not going to cut stainless.
Sorry to be late with this, but I have had good luck with:
Mark Urban at New Image Coatings
7337 Lake Drive
Lino Lakes, MN55014
651-784-7055 newimagecoatings.com.
more ambition than brains said
Apr 13, 2020
Update, 04/13/2020
Ron has been busy.
All bed and roof trim on, all 1/4 trim on, gate trim other than upper moulding on.
Upper dash, some wiring both sides of cowl on.
Water pump, Fan, clutch, pulleys, bracketry being test fitted, detailed.
Issue with Alternator bracket, may need to fabricate as L-79 intake is different than stock cast.
It is getting there.
-- Edited by more ambition than brains on Monday 13th of April 2020 02:28:08 PM
Just the opposite here in Lake City. Body Shop busy, still waiting for hood to get painted.
more ambition than brains said
May 1, 2020
Claims in this area are down 75% since February.
Some carriers are refunding premium dollars to policy holders.
Will be interesting to see how many of us survive this.
Small shops, with little Insurance business will be ok if they have minimal overhead.
Jim and I are fortunate we paid off our building two years ago.
The wolves are not at the door, yet.
Crystal Lake automotive, inc. has minimal debt.
Those businesses of all kinds with lots of leverage and really high overhead will suffer severely.
We are open, serving customers and trying to take care of our staff.
Interesting times for all of us!
Karl
more ambition than brains said
May 18, 2020
Floor of Blue car is now in Epoxy. My favorite caulking technician is off this week. So Caulk next week. Spray with satin black, then underside is finally done. Crawling along.
I'm rather certain the double brackets on the alternator are supposed to be together on the back side.
more ambition than brains said
Jun 3, 2020
We don't disagree.
The one on the rear now, can only bolt to intake.
Plan on playing some more on the long one.
Thanks!
Karl
Lost in the 60s said
Jun 3, 2020
The long bracket may go to a stud on the top right water pump location. That water pump bolt would have a 5/16 thread from the hex "nut" for the bracket and nut. OR, it may have been on a threaded boss on the front of the intake on the hp engines, that the rest didn't have.
I can't find a good pic on the www of how that bracket mounts....frustrating, because I know I have seen them before. 1967-68 Z28 had that double bracket too.
more ambition than brains said
Jun 4, 2020
More pictures of brackets.
The upper radiator hose has to clear upper bracket.
Aluminum intake has different Thermostat outlet and mounting locations.
Could probably do some "reconfiguring" of long bracket to pair it up with one attached to intake.
They are aftermarket anyhow.
Still playing.
Really like the machined surface of the intake bolts, they are stainless, think they look pretty cool.
Karl
-- Edited by more ambition than brains on Thursday 4th of June 2020 03:14:47 PM
Ordered exhaust for both cars, belts are here, carb will be done next week.
Karl
Lost in the 60s said
Jun 4, 2020
You should be able to just push the front bracket to the back side. It looks like it wants to go there, as it is closer to the rear bracket in the center area and then is forced forward to be on the front of the tab. Being aftermarket, it may need a little "tweaking" to be where it should go.
more ambition than brains said
Jun 5, 2020
Ron had pictures showing one bracket, two brackets, brackets on front, rear, all over.
We agree with Mitch, paired up on front of alternator.
Texted my friend Brett Jensen, Fergus Falls, he has a 67 L-79 wagon.
Pictures he sent show brackets in front.
Update pictures on Monday
Karl
more ambition than brains said
Jun 8, 2020
Ron did some "tweaking" this weekend.
Starting to look like these parts actually belong together.
Ron had pictures showing one bracket, two brackets, brackets on front, rear, all over.
We agree with Mitch, paired up on front of alternator.
Texted my friend Brett Jensen, Fergus Falls, he has a 67 L-79 wagon.
Pictures he sent show brackets in front.
Update pictures on Monday
Karl
I’ve seen the two brackets on the front of the alternator on numerous SB out in an old salvage yard I go to. Can’t remember if thy were 283 or 327’s. Or if 64, 65, 66, or 66. I’ve also seen the single bracket also with the bracket in front. Then again a lot of guys have it mounted incorrectly and don’t want to here that.
Thinking 2 braces on 65 L79 and 1 brace on 67 L79.
-- Edited by jim larson on Wednesday 10th of June 2020 07:45:39 AM
Lost in the 60s said
Jun 10, 2020
Mounting the bracket on the front, often causes the fan to hit it, as in Karl's pics... but I do see a number of them mounted that way...
jim larson said
Jun 10, 2020
Sorry, I may have miss lead. Both my SS and malibu for 66 show bracket on back side of alternator and that how I have seen them in the Salvage yards with 1 o 2 bracket set up. 1 bracket on 66 and 2 brackets on 65. There is one photo in 66 AIM that hints at 2 brackets for L78; but other places shows a single bracket. No L79 in 66 so nothing there. Don’t dare mention alternator mounting to those at shows who say they have a professionally restore car.
Derek69SS said
Jun 11, 2020
Here is a very correct '65 L79 showing it behind the alternator.
Here is a very correct '65 L79 showing it behind the alternator.
Know nothing about those, I would say around a couple dozen 65 with a SB that appear very original in that old salvage yard have a couple of bracket, not a single one like in that photo. couldn't say its mounted like Karl's; but I do remember the two brackets. Maybe the intake o n the L79 does not have the provision for the bracket from the intake. But Karls seems to have it. I guess I would ask some of the 65 experts on TC. Maybe even wrong alternator fan?
-- Edited by jim larson on Thursday 11th of June 2020 04:15:37 PM
-- Edited by jim larson on Thursday 11th of June 2020 04:18:04 PM
-- Edited by jim larson on Thursday 11th of June 2020 04:29:40 PM
Lost in the 60s said
Jun 11, 2020
Derek69SS wrote:
Here is a very correct '65 L79 showing it behind the alternator.
Yep and only the one. I read conflicting info on the www about what is "correct" on an L79. Many believe only the '67-68 Z/28's got the double ??
more ambition than brains said
Jun 11, 2020
Where else can we have so much fun?
Dereks' pictures shows earlier model?
Single bracket in back upper hose routed to R/side (passenger)of radiator.
Bretts' picture shows paired bracket, upper hose routed to left (drivers) side of radiator, bracket in front.
Possibility is they are both correct.
I have seen, felt and touched Bretts' 67 a few years ago.
I am in step with Mitchs' concern regarding Alternator fan contact, makes sense, will verify.
The Iron and aluminum manifolds are very different.
Will post pictures of original soon.
Ron and I truly appreciate the comments.
Karl
SShink said
Jun 12, 2020
Derek69SS wrote:
Here is a very correct '65 L79 showing it behind the alternator.
That looks like a pic of Rich Cummings car in Nebraska.
Derek69SS said
Jun 12, 2020
SShink wrote:
That looks like a pic of Rich Cummings car in Nebraska.
Sure is!
jim larson said
Jun 12, 2020
I should have considered design changes during the year. Just for one example: 3 different doors used in 66. the person I have the most trust in is Jeff Helms from NC.
more ambition than brains said
Jun 16, 2020
Floor now done in satin black.
Rust proof floor braces and it will go on body dolly.
Good eye MItch, r/f is flat. Have tube and tools. Tires are really brittle. Actually bent wheel lip trying to get bead over edge. Inner bearing races are fused to spindle, trying to get wheel and tire assembly off.
The Lawn tractor that donated the wheels was probably about the age of your son
I may just go to Northern and see if I can match up a wheel and tire assembly (or four). Then we can assault wheel bearing with Heat!
Going to keep Elky (blue) body and frame separate until all lines, plumbing, fuel system and tank are in.
Will slip fit exhaust.
Cart will allow transport and storage or additional assembly if time permits.
Body and cart will go back to "Treasure Chest" asap, frame is already there.
Karl
Lost in the 60s said
Jun 16, 2020
Looking at my pic, it was the right rear, I replaced the tube in. Stinks that the bearing is seized to spindle.
Exhaust can go on the frame before body, then tank on the body and then mate the 2 up, just like assembly line...
Elky tank has straps on top, brackets on bottom. Straps attach to brackets.
Fuel tank bolts to frame, with brackets, not body. Filler neck and transition hose go from tank up to quarter panel. The only tank connection to body is the ground wire, and filler neck attachment to fuel pocket.
Will post picture later of my "roller" frame.
One of the few ways ELCaminos are different.
My son Scot got his G-Body ElCamino engine swap back together. Now he needs some detailing and exhaust.
His next project is the green basket case 66 Chevelle 4dr. hardtop car.
Through their own efforts, Ron and Scot have had a very productive year on projects.
I, however got VERY distracted on Suburbans, three are mostly done one big block to go. The 2WD is done, low brake pedal to address, Both z-71 units are done, just need one front Diffi, 4:10 ratio for black one. Swap out driving all three, will now park black and maroon ones till the snow flies..
Problem with multiple cars is that one of them ALWAYS needs something, just like children. Trailblazer SS just got new battery and alternator. Biskwik, battery. Even one of my John Deere lawn tractors needed a battery. Three batteries, one week.
My core 8.1 motor is at rebuilders right now.
Disassembled and hot tanked, in que for machining and freshening.
These other projects seem to keep me from ordering "Mitchs" transmission for the 427 platform.
Hopefully that will take place by September.
Glad I see "loose ends" as opportunities to resolve things.
I have this hydraulic flaring tool. I used it on my '66 rear stainless line and so far, no leak. I did have to tighten the bejeepers on the nut to get it to seat tight.
Where did you have the ceramic coating done Karl?
Did they also sand blast them first or did you have it done already for coating prep?
I'm looking for a place to redo my headers since I know they fit the exhaust so no modifications needed that might happen with a new set.
Thanks
Call Clinton at Race Coatings. He is in Forest Lake.
Mention me and you have a Camaro, he gives a little price break for club members.
https://www.racecoatings.com/our-services
Perfect, thanks Mitch!
I need to stop by The Carb Shop in FL anyway, so I'll catch them at the same time.
With 70 plus people "torqueing" the fitting, it has to work.
Stan, I used Prairie Porcelain in Faribault, they did my BB manifolds too.
They prep them too.
These manifolds were pretty pristine, not Minnesota iron.
Karl
Added from Bow Tie Brunch
Mark Urban at New Image Coatings
7337 Lake Drive
Lino Lakes, MN55014
651-784-7055
newimagecoatings.com.
Update, 04/13/2020
Ron has been busy.
All bed and roof trim on, all 1/4 trim on, gate trim other than upper moulding on.
Upper dash, some wiring both sides of cowl on.
Water pump, Fan, clutch, pulleys, bracketry being test fitted, detailed.
Issue with Alternator bracket, may need to fabricate as L-79 intake is different than stock cast.
It is getting there.
-- Edited by more ambition than brains on Monday 13th of April 2020 02:28:08 PM
The worst part of this current Covid thing is it is REALLY, REALLY slow at Shops.
We are doing the best we can to maintain staff and give them something to do.
The Blue Elky has now been apart 24-25 years, used as filler when really slow.
This period now qualifies as really slow.
Split body and frame today, floors will get scuffed, epoxied, caulked and then painted.
Rotisserie was still set from White car.
A little more difficult due to balance issues on hoist when tailgate and doors are on body.
Managed not to drop it on floor.
White car engine mostly assembled, waiting for Carburetor build and alternator brackets on order from OPGI.
Also will order Down pipes and crossovers for both cars next week.
Baby steps!
-- Edited by more ambition than brains on Friday 1st of May 2020 01:23:07 PM
Just the opposite here in Lake City. Body Shop busy, still waiting for hood to get painted.
Some carriers are refunding premium dollars to policy holders.
Will be interesting to see how many of us survive this.
Small shops, with little Insurance business will be ok if they have minimal overhead.
Jim and I are fortunate we paid off our building two years ago.
The wolves are not at the door, yet.
Crystal Lake automotive, inc. has minimal debt.
Those businesses of all kinds with lots of leverage and really high overhead will suffer severely.
We are open, serving customers and trying to take care of our staff.
Interesting times for all of us!
Karl
Floor of Blue car is now in Epoxy.
My favorite caulking technician is off this week.
So Caulk next week.
Spray with satin black, then underside is finally done.
Crawling along.
Crawling is better than stationary...
Have been bragging about Ron's progress on white car.
Here are some engine pictures, waiting on carb, belts exhaust.
Karl
-- Edited by more ambition than brains on Wednesday 3rd of June 2020 10:08:23 AM
Blue car floors.
Stainless bolts were a picture misfire, those had heads machined for white car 327.
Karl
-- Edited by more ambition than brains on Wednesday 3rd of June 2020 10:07:51 AM
I'm rather certain the double brackets on the alternator are supposed to be together on the back side.
The one on the rear now, can only bolt to intake.
Plan on playing some more on the long one.
Thanks!
Karl
The long bracket may go to a stud on the top right water pump location. That water pump bolt would have a 5/16 thread from the hex "nut" for the bracket and nut. OR, it may have been on a threaded boss on the front of the intake on the hp engines, that the rest didn't have.
I can't find a good pic on the www of how that bracket mounts....frustrating, because I know I have seen them before. 1967-68 Z28 had that double bracket too.
More pictures of brackets.
The upper radiator hose has to clear upper bracket.
Aluminum intake has different Thermostat outlet and mounting locations.
Could probably do some "reconfiguring" of long bracket to pair it up with one attached to intake.
They are aftermarket anyhow.
Still playing.
Really like the machined surface of the intake bolts, they are stainless, think they look pretty cool.
Karl
-- Edited by more ambition than brains on Thursday 4th of June 2020 03:14:47 PM
Karl
You should be able to just push the front bracket to the back side. It looks like it wants to go there, as it is closer to the rear bracket in the center area and then is forced forward to be on the front of the tab. Being aftermarket, it may need a little "tweaking" to be where it should go.
We agree with Mitch, paired up on front of alternator.
Texted my friend Brett Jensen, Fergus Falls, he has a 67 L-79 wagon.
Pictures he sent show brackets in front.
Update pictures on Monday
Karl
Ron did some "tweaking" this weekend.
Starting to look like these parts actually belong together.
May still shorten adjustment bolt.
Thanks Mitch, and Brett Jensen in Fergus.
Ron and Karl
That looks correct to me.
The alternator should be threaded for a 5/16 bolt...no nut
1/2" wrench for adjuster...9/16 wrench for pivot bolt.
-- Edited by Lost in the 60s on Monday 8th of June 2020 07:15:42 PM
These pictures are from Brett J. This is an actual 67 wagon with original L-79.
Maybe the bolt on back was added later or maybe it was added as a lock-nut due to the double bracket set-up
Other than maybe shorten bolt we will more than likely leave it the way it is.
Really appreciate your comments Mitch
This car will not be identical to when built, it does however have many upgrades based on our choices.
It already had the added tilt column.
We have added and will add, Tinted glass, the L-79 intake, power windows, Knee Knocker tach, factory rally gauge set-up.
We still may add tissue dispenser and factory four way flasher set up.
Door panels will be Malibu custom, seat 1966 strato-bench with armrest and actual dash will be dressed up like a Malibu (more trim)
Trying to use up 30 years of collecting
Karl and Ron
Exhaust has arrived for both Elcaminos.
Blue Elky needs to get "plumbed" with brake and fuel lines next.
Will also install fuel tank and assemble fuel system for blue car while frame is separated.
My son Scott just reminded me that he needs to get exhaust for the other "Elky" (g-body) project.
Three "car guys" three (Plus) projects.
That Suburban is the one my wife and I brought back from Arizona last year.
Really nice, dry, rust free truck.
New carpet, seat repairs, transmission replace, starter, and some minor body work, done.
2WD but really a nice runner.
-- Edited by more ambition than brains on Wednesday 10th of June 2020 07:03:24 AM
I’ve seen the two brackets on the front of the alternator on numerous SB out in an old salvage yard I go to. Can’t remember if thy were 283 or 327’s. Or if 64, 65, 66, or 66. I’ve also seen the single bracket also with the bracket in front. Then again a lot of guys have it mounted incorrectly and don’t want to here that.
Thinking 2 braces on 65 L79 and 1 brace on 67 L79.
-- Edited by jim larson on Wednesday 10th of June 2020 07:45:39 AM
Mounting the bracket on the front, often causes the fan to hit it, as in Karl's pics... but I do see a number of them mounted that way...
Sorry, I may have miss lead. Both my SS and malibu for 66 show bracket on back side of alternator and that how I have seen them in the Salvage yards with 1 o 2 bracket set up. 1 bracket on 66 and 2 brackets on 65. There is one photo in 66 AIM that hints at 2 brackets for L78; but other places shows a single bracket. No L79 in 66 so nothing there. Don’t dare mention alternator mounting to those at shows who say they have a professionally restore car.
Here is a very correct '65 L79 showing it behind the alternator.
Know nothing about those, I would say around a couple dozen 65 with a SB that appear very original in that old salvage yard have a couple of bracket, not a single one like in that photo. couldn't say its mounted like Karl's; but I do remember the two brackets. Maybe the intake o n the L79 does not have the provision for the bracket from the intake. But Karls seems to have it. I guess I would ask some of the 65 experts on TC. Maybe even wrong alternator fan?
-- Edited by jim larson on Thursday 11th of June 2020 04:15:37 PM
-- Edited by jim larson on Thursday 11th of June 2020 04:18:04 PM
-- Edited by jim larson on Thursday 11th of June 2020 04:29:40 PM
Yep and only the one. I read conflicting info on the www about what is "correct" on an L79. Many believe only the '67-68 Z/28's got the double ??
Dereks' pictures shows earlier model?
Single bracket in back upper hose routed to R/side (passenger)of radiator.
Bretts' picture shows paired bracket, upper hose routed to left (drivers) side of radiator, bracket in front.
Possibility is they are both correct.
I have seen, felt and touched Bretts' 67 a few years ago.
I am in step with Mitchs' concern regarding Alternator fan contact, makes sense, will verify.
The Iron and aluminum manifolds are very different.
Will post pictures of original soon.
Ron and I truly appreciate the comments.
Karl
That looks like a pic of Rich Cummings car in Nebraska.
Sure is!
I should have considered design changes during the year. Just for one example: 3 different doors used in 66. the person I have the most trust in is Jeff Helms from NC.
Floor now done in satin black.
Rust proof floor braces and it will go on body dolly.
Karl
Looks good.
I've seen that body cart... looks like the front tire is flat. Is that the one I repaired ? or was that a rear ? Can't remember...
Good eye MItch, r/f is flat.
Have tube and tools.
Tires are really brittle. Actually bent wheel lip trying to get bead over edge.
Inner bearing races are fused to spindle, trying to get wheel and tire assembly off.
The Lawn tractor that donated the wheels was probably about the age of your son
I may just go to Northern and see if I can match up a wheel and tire assembly (or four).
Then we can assault wheel bearing with Heat!
Going to keep Elky (blue) body and frame separate until all lines, plumbing, fuel system and tank are in.
Will slip fit exhaust.
Cart will allow transport and storage or additional assembly if time permits.
Body and cart will go back to "Treasure Chest" asap, frame is already there.
Karl
Looking at my pic, it was the right rear, I replaced the tube in. Stinks that the bearing is seized to spindle.
Exhaust can go on the frame before body, then tank on the body and then mate the 2 up, just like assembly line...
Elky tank has straps on top, brackets on bottom. Straps attach to brackets.
Fuel tank bolts to frame, with brackets, not body.
Filler neck and transition hose go from tank up to quarter panel.
The only tank connection to body is the ground wire, and filler neck attachment to fuel pocket.
Will post picture later of my "roller" frame.
One of the few ways ELCaminos are different.
My son Scot got his G-Body ElCamino engine swap back together.
Now he needs some detailing and exhaust.
His next project is the green basket case 66 Chevelle 4dr. hardtop car.
Through their own efforts, Ron and Scot have had a very productive year on projects.
I, however got VERY distracted on Suburbans, three are mostly done one big block to go.
The 2WD is done, low brake pedal to address, Both z-71 units are done, just need one front Diffi, 4:10 ratio for black one.
Swap out driving all three, will now park black and maroon ones till the snow flies..
Problem with multiple cars is that one of them ALWAYS needs something, just like children.
Trailblazer SS just got new battery and alternator.
Biskwik, battery.
Even one of my John Deere lawn tractors needed a battery.
Three batteries, one week.
My core 8.1 motor is at rebuilders right now.
Disassembled and hot tanked, in que for machining and freshening.
These other projects seem to keep me from ordering "Mitchs" transmission for the 427 platform.
Hopefully that will take place by September.
Glad I see "loose ends" as opportunities to resolve things.
Karl
Pictures as promised
Elky fuel tank, Intake manifold differences and lastly Scots G-body elky.
Blue car waiting for cart.